church in newark, texas. a church spokesperson is denying anti-vaccination teachings but listen to what church leader kenneth copeland said -- >> as parents we need to be a whole lot more serious about this, and being aware of what is good and what isn't. and you don't take the word of the guy that is trying to give the shot about what good and what isn't. >> hmm, cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is "outfront" with us. hi, sanjay. >> good evening. >> that's a little unusual to hear. we rarely hear about measles outbreaks in this country ever since the vaccination has come out. how bad is this? >> measles can be very, very serious and it's very contagious as well as we're hearing about, if there's a child that's unvaccinated and they come in contact with someone that has measles, they ever a very high chance, almost 100% of getting measles, so every 1,000 kids that get measles, one to two will die. >> right. the science is pretty clear on this. the church offered free vaccinations and the pasto